So, we have a Con/Lib coalition. Let us hope that they use their brains in order to make decisions to cut the deficit. It would not greatly offend me if income tax went up by 10%, for example, for a short period of time (say, 2 years), provided that the situation reverted after that time and there was a prospect of reduced taxes thereafter. I would expect such a plan to be accompanied by a promise to examine and act upon a plan to search out and remove all the superfluous costs which have accumulated over the past 13 years – all the silly quangos, free-loaders, fake charities, outreach officers, climate professors, and all the rest. Stop funding UN, EU, Indian, Chinese conmen, but by all means help the very poorest places become self-sufficient. Undo the nanny/bully state. By all means advise, but do not force or ‘nudge’ adults to conform. Give us our freedoms back. On immigration, the answer is simple. Illegal immigrants and persons who arrive here as ‘visitors’ and disappear should be declared to be ‘outlaws’, in which case they would have no automatic right to benefits, housing, health services – even human rights other than extremely basic ones. And, MAKE jobs for the young people. There is obviously much more that one could say.
Well it seems Cameron has sold his soul for power. Clegg has been found out as totally unprincipled and his party's very being is in danger. We will have a referendum on PR which his coalition partners will be actively campaigning against and the electorate will reject anyway just to punish the Lib/Dems.
Once the PR referendum has been rejected we will see the divisions in the Lib/Dems, particularly as their left leaning MPs move to the Labour benches in the hope of keeping their own seats at the next election.
The right of the Tory party and particularly the Euro-sceptics will not be quiet for long. Already mainfesto pledges such as the inheritance tax threshold increase have been torn up just to get the keys to No 10. The devil will be in the detail but to give the deputy premiership and 5 cabinet seats to a party with only 57 seats smacks of desperation. Clegg may think he had Cameron by the proverbials and Cameron certainly acted like a man with his nuts in a vice but the electorate will not forgive either party.
As far as I can see this was a tactically brilliant move by Labour as they can now elect a new leader, regroup and study where they went wrong and meantime watch this phoney coalition rip apart in total acrimony. When the next election comes along Labour will have a clear majority and the Lib/Dems will be back to the minority party they were before.
The next twelve months should make for good viewing.
You know what Junican, I woke this morning and saw that beautiful blue sky, and I thought to myself, Yes! This is a sign of what is to come, and as I started getting ready, I was singing to myself (as I often do, and did, even when Labour was in), and without realising it, I found myself singing the Michael Buble/ Nina Simone song "Feeling Good", the first verse of which goes:
Birds flying high You know how I feel Sun in the sky You know how I feel Breeze driftin' on by You know how I feel It's a new dawn It's a new day It's a new life For me And I'm feeling good
I was just about at the end of that first verse when it suddenly hit me, that yes, we do have a Conservative Prime Minister, and a largely Conservative Government, and that we will not have to endure any longer, those snooty unelected creeps such as Mandelson and Campbell looking down their noses at us and taking our money, just to inflict endless pain and suffering upon our lives, "but", we do not have a truly Conservative Government, and we will not have true Conservative policies either.
If anyone on here, or anywhere else come to that, had any thoughts that a Conservative Government might bend our way with regard to the smoking ban, my thoughts are "forget about it". The Lib-Dems voted even more in favour of the ban than Labour did, and I cannot see them swing behind any sort of proposal to amend the ban in any way.
It's still a nice day though, and I'm still "feeling good"
I am pleased the 10,000 tax threshold was taken up by the Tories as well. It will be interesting to see if it has the desired effect of helping families on low incomes ,and getting the long term unemployed back in work. My gut feeling is it will. It was the only Libdem policy I liked. It will raise wage levels above benefits for a lot of people. Not all will take it up i'm sure but a lot will. Sometimes politicians do good things. Taxing the poor is immoral.
I was in the Westminster last night for Chris Snowdon's book launch, "The Spirit Level Delusion." I can highly recommend it.
I was 400 yards from Downing Street and after the reception we wandered up towards there. David Cameron was giving his victory speech as I was drinking with some well known Tories wearing our Conservative rosettes. The world's press was there to observe. In 2005 David Cameron had to fight David Davis, a libertarian, Thatcherite for the leadership, and of course won.
As I got my pint in the Red Lion I bumped into David Davis. I had met him before at a Progressive Conservative event as he was our first speaker. We had a short conversation and I asked him will you be making a come back, alas no.
There I was talking to the man who I believe should of been at Number 10 Downing Street, being crowned Prime Minister on a proper Conservative ticket that would of got us a working majority, staring intently at the BBC news.
Life is full of ifs, buts, maybes and what should of beens. The irony will take a long time to wear off.
Peter, Andrew Lansley is Health Secretary and, despite being a Conservative, voted for the smoking ban and has subsequently appeared keen on nudging us all along the 'right' path ( and 'Dick Puddlecote' reminds us that he has been in the pay of the Pharma industry). I'm afraid the LibDems can't be made scapegoat for any Tory failure to address the ban.
We will not cut front line services said Cameron. ASH ALCHOHOL CONCERN ACTION ON SALT ACTION ON OBESITY OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED. Errrr , These are not frontline services. In fact they don't even produce the results they are supposed to. Snip ! I wish.
Oh dear Joyce, how silly of me, of course the smoking ban is now the Conservative's fault isn't it, now why didn't I remember that? It's the same with our gold reserve, that Cameron chap went and sold that off cheap as well didn't he?
In the coming days and weeks, there are going to be lots of bodies unearthed. More so than we, the general public could have ever have envisaged. It will make Fred West look like a community care worker. But, we know who is really responsible for all this don't we Joyce, of course, none other than Big Dave and his gang. OK so he wasn't ever seen anywhere near the scene of the crimes, but so what, he's now the boss of his outfit, and I say he should get the chair for this, what do you think Joyce?
In the meantime, if anyone else can come up with any other New Labour crimes that we can pin on Big Dave, please write to me, care of Peter Mandeslon, (somewhere in the EU)
We shall now experience a massive rise in unemployment. At least, now the true figures will start to emerge. The truth has been swept under the carpet for a very long time - to get through the pre-election period and the election itself. Having seen the number of 'to let' signs and 'for sale' signs on high streets and industrial estates in recent times, I don't think we can pin this on the Conservatives - although some still go back to the Thatcher days some 20+ years ago. Massive unemployment will be the true disaster and cause of problems - that is my prediction. The hospitality industry is only one facet of this, albeit a significant one. In Yorkshire alone, a report today has stated that unemployment has increased by 10% during the past three months. So watch this issue - unemployment.
No, Peter, I did not say that the Conservatives are to blame for the ban.
The third paragraph of your previous post implies that there's unlikely to be an amendment because the 'anti-smoking' Lib Dems are part of the Tory government. My point was simply that, even with a majority Tory government, with Lansley as Health Secretary, an amendment might not have been likelier, anyway.
Let's face it, some Tory MPs are just as illiberal and patronising as Labour MPs and 'personal responsibility' (which I happen to believe is A Good Thing) will mean no more than doing what they decide is best for us because we're too stupid and irresponsible to make choices for ourselves (especially if we didn't vote for them).
Brown os gone, THANK GOD!!, now we can talk with a new government with different ideas and hopefully bring back freedom of choice for everyone and not just a few.
Sorry to disappoint you Clif e. Unless you are a foxhunter your restriction of choice remains. Cameron has stated that he will overturn the hunting ban but as for the smoking ban 'That argument is lost'.
I so a little fox hunting from time to time, as I live in rural countryside and believe you me, the foxes are a menace to our our livelihoods, costing us thousands of pounds a year. So I for one will be very please if and when David Cameron does overturn the hunting ban.
I am also a smoker, and I have it on very good authority that Mr Cameron is very keen to get the smoking ban amended in one way or another.
“We lost the argument and we’ve moved on,” he says.
And are pubs better for it?
“Yes,” he replies. “We are all better off, because we are not smoking, but for a lot of people it’s a big change, because going to the pub for a pint and a fag was part of life.”
The above quote is from an interview from the Publican newspaper and clearly shows Cameron's views. So your friend is wrong or Cameron was lying to the interviewer. Which one is it?
By the way Joyce, a majority of Tory MPs voted against the smoking ban, and so it could possibly be expected that the Tory bit of the Lib-Con coalition might look favourably on some relaxation of the ban. However over 90% of Lib-Dem MPs voted for the complete ban.
@Peter 14.07 - but at least the damage he can inflict is confined.
@Peter 14.10 - yes, I know that, Peter, but doesn't it seem to you that if Cameron has appointed an uberNanny to the post of Health Secretary then that just might reflect his own propensity for nannying in which case no-one in the Cabinet even if it were a Lib Dem-free zone would be likely to have the will to amend the ban anyway?
You might well be right Joyce, only time will tell? The only thing we do know, is that Cameron, unlike Brown, hasn't promissed us any concesions on the smoking ban.
I wish he had of course, but if we don't get an amendment, at least we won't feel cheated out of something that that was not promissed to us in the first place.
Like Jeff, I too have been hearing whispers for some time about several things he would like to put into position if and when he became PM. But this is what I meant earlier when I said that now straddled with the Lib-Dems, he is going to find it very difficult to say the least on implementing a whole ranhe of proposals, the smoking ban being very low on his list of priorities.
Peter. Cameron gave so much away to the Lib/Dems while salivating for the top job that the Tory manifesto is history. One leading Tory said effectively their manifesto was ripped up and replaced with the Lib/Dems one.
He will be able to implement most policies because they were Lib/Dem ones in the first place. He may struggle to get the hunting ban overturned given the Liberal distain for it so he will have no chance nor inclination to change the smoking ban.
Tory voters wanted to be turkeys at Christmas despite knowing that Lansley was a smoker bigot, and Cameron was a coward. Now we are all ConDem-med. Thanks a lot! ... and No, Peter Thurgood, I am not feeling good about five more years of persecution and a new face dishing out more of the same. Not good at all :(
quote; Pharmacy should be put to better use in the delivery of public health agendas like smoking cessation, according to the Conservative shadow secretary of state for health, Andrew Lansley.
Speaking at the King’s Fund Health Debate 2010 last week (22 April 2010), Mr Lansley said that, under the pharmacy contract, it was intended that pharmacists would help smokers who have not been targeted by their GPs, and stressed the importance of using the sector more in the provision of NHS smoking cessation services.
It's the smokers that had not been targeted bit I feel uncomfortable about . Targetted ,how are they going to target me ? I don't recall any of the GP's I had targeting me ?
I am amazed to see that Nostradamus is alive and well, and still predicting the future for us all, right here on "Taking Liberties".
I do not profess to be an expert on the great man, but didn't he predict the future as he saw it, both the good as well as the bad?
Whereas the predictions I am reading here, as remarkable as they are, are surely only giving us half the story? Can it really be true that the end in nigh? That the sky is about to collapse on us all within the next few days?
Can it really be true that the Devil himself, in the guise of David Cameron, has returned to earth to wreak his vengeance upon us, and to punish us for our sins, that are surely first and foremost, the unforgivable sin of smoking?
Can it also be true, that if we had voted for the great kipper in the sky, that none of these predictions would come about? Or as some are also predicting, that we deserve the terrible punishments which are about to rain down upon us, because we murdered the Messiah, also known as Saint Gordon of the Brown Stuff?
Keep it up boys and girls, I need a little light entertainment from time to time, when I get stuck with my work.
GRAMMATICAL NOTE: We do not say 'should of been' or 'would of got' we say 'should've been' or 'would've got' which are abbreviations of 'should have' and 'would have.' Sorry, I think it is important.
By the way, toady I feel elated. Gordon Brown and interferring 'wimmin' have lost power over my life.
I beg your pardon Mr Peoples, I do not have severe doubts as to Mr Atherton's statements at all. From what I have seen, Mr Atherton's statements consist largely of cut and paste jobs taken from various internet sources, which I have no trouble at all in accepting.
It is Mr Atherton's constant alluding to himself as some sort of leading light in the Conservative Party which worries me. It turns out now, much to Mr Atherton's own admission, that he was a Tory candidate for Leytonstone, and he is a member of a Tory fringe group.
I do get very worried when anyone sets themself up as something or someone, which they clearly are not, especially when they use the name of a political party to which I am affiliated to, although only in a small way I might add.
To get back to Mr People's however, you are trying to do on here, exactly what Mark has suggested, and that is to try imitate the spin of Mandelson and Campbell by throwing a spanner in the wheels of democracy.
Tuesday, May 11, 2010
Reader Comments (24)
So, we have a Con/Lib coalition. Let us hope that they use their brains in order to make decisions to cut the deficit. It would not greatly offend me if income tax went up by 10%, for example, for a short period of time (say, 2 years), provided that the situation reverted after that time and there was a prospect of reduced taxes thereafter. I would expect such a plan to be accompanied by a promise to examine and act upon a plan to search out and remove all the superfluous costs which have accumulated over the past 13 years – all the silly quangos, free-loaders, fake charities, outreach officers, climate professors, and all the rest. Stop funding UN, EU, Indian, Chinese conmen, but by all means help the very poorest places become self-sufficient. Undo the nanny/bully state. By all means advise, but do not force or ‘nudge’ adults to conform. Give us our freedoms back.
On immigration, the answer is simple. Illegal immigrants and persons who arrive here as ‘visitors’ and disappear should be declared to be ‘outlaws’, in which case they would have no automatic right to benefits, housing, health services – even human rights other than extremely basic ones.
And, MAKE jobs for the young people.
There is obviously much more that one could say.
Well it seems Cameron has sold his soul for power. Clegg has been found out as totally unprincipled and his party's very being is in danger. We will have a referendum on PR which his coalition partners will be actively campaigning against and the electorate will reject anyway just to punish the Lib/Dems.
Once the PR referendum has been rejected we will see the divisions in the Lib/Dems, particularly as their left leaning MPs move to the Labour benches in the hope of keeping their own seats at the next election.
The right of the Tory party and particularly the Euro-sceptics will not be quiet for long. Already mainfesto pledges such as the inheritance tax threshold increase have been torn up just to get the keys to No 10. The devil will be in the detail but to give the deputy premiership and 5 cabinet seats to a party with only 57 seats smacks of desperation. Clegg may think he had Cameron by the proverbials and Cameron certainly acted like a man with his nuts in a vice but the electorate will not forgive either party.
As far as I can see this was a tactically brilliant move by Labour as they can now elect a new leader, regroup and study where they went wrong and meantime watch this phoney coalition rip apart in total acrimony. When the next election comes along Labour will have a clear majority and the Lib/Dems will be back to the minority party they were before.
The next twelve months should make for good viewing.
You know what Junican, I woke this morning and saw that beautiful blue sky, and I thought to myself, Yes! This is a sign of what is to come, and as I started getting ready, I was singing to myself (as I often do, and did, even when Labour was in), and without realising it, I found myself singing the Michael Buble/ Nina Simone song "Feeling Good", the first verse of which goes:
Birds flying high
You know how I feel
Sun in the sky
You know how I feel
Breeze driftin' on by
You know how I feel
It's a new dawn
It's a new day
It's a new life
For me
And I'm feeling good
I was just about at the end of that first verse when it suddenly hit me, that yes, we do have a Conservative Prime Minister, and a largely Conservative Government, and that we will not have to endure any longer, those snooty unelected creeps such as Mandelson and Campbell looking down their noses at us and taking our money, just to inflict endless pain and suffering upon our lives, "but", we do not have a truly Conservative Government, and we will not have true Conservative policies either.
If anyone on here, or anywhere else come to that, had any thoughts that a Conservative Government might bend our way with regard to the smoking ban, my thoughts are "forget about it". The Lib-Dems voted even more in favour of the ban than Labour did, and I cannot see them swing behind any sort of proposal to amend the ban in any way.
It's still a nice day though, and I'm still "feeling good"
I am pleased the 10,000 tax threshold was taken up by the Tories as well.
It will be interesting to see if it has the desired effect of helping families on low incomes ,and getting the long term unemployed back in work.
My gut feeling is it will.
It was the only Libdem policy I liked.
It will raise wage levels above benefits for a lot of people.
Not all will take it up i'm sure but a lot will.
Sometimes politicians do good things.
Taxing the poor is immoral.
I was in the Westminster last night for Chris Snowdon's book launch, "The Spirit Level Delusion." I can highly recommend it.
I was 400 yards from Downing Street and after the reception we wandered up towards there. David Cameron was giving his victory speech as I was drinking with some well known Tories wearing our Conservative rosettes. The world's press was there to observe. In 2005 David Cameron had to fight David Davis, a libertarian, Thatcherite for the leadership, and of course won.
As I got my pint in the Red Lion I bumped into David Davis. I had met him before at a Progressive Conservative event as he was our first speaker. We had a short conversation and I asked him will you be making a come back, alas no.
There I was talking to the man who I believe should of been at Number 10 Downing Street, being crowned Prime Minister on a proper Conservative ticket that would of got us a working majority, staring intently at the BBC news.
Life is full of ifs, buts, maybes and what should of beens. The irony will take a long time to wear off.
Peter, Andrew Lansley is Health Secretary and, despite being a Conservative, voted for the smoking ban and has subsequently appeared keen on nudging us all along the 'right' path ( and 'Dick Puddlecote' reminds us that he has been in the pay of the Pharma industry). I'm afraid the LibDems can't be made scapegoat for any Tory failure to address the ban.
We will not cut front line services said Cameron.
ASH
ALCHOHOL CONCERN
ACTION ON SALT
ACTION ON OBESITY OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED.
Errrr ,
These are not frontline services.
In fact they don't even produce the results they are supposed to.
Snip !
I wish.
Oh dear Joyce, how silly of me, of course the smoking ban is now the Conservative's fault isn't it, now why didn't I remember that? It's the same with our gold reserve, that Cameron chap went and sold that off cheap as well didn't he?
In the coming days and weeks, there are going to be lots of bodies unearthed. More so than we, the general public could have ever have envisaged. It will make Fred West look like a community care worker. But, we know who is really responsible for all this don't we Joyce, of course, none other than Big Dave and his gang. OK so he wasn't ever seen anywhere near the scene of the crimes, but so what, he's now the boss of his outfit, and I say he should get the chair for this, what do you think Joyce?
In the meantime, if anyone else can come up with any other New Labour crimes that we can pin on Big Dave, please write to me, care of Peter Mandeslon, (somewhere in the EU)
We shall now experience a massive rise in unemployment. At least, now the true figures will start to emerge. The truth has been swept under the carpet for a very long time - to get through the pre-election period and the election itself. Having seen the number of 'to let' signs and 'for sale' signs on high streets and industrial estates in recent times, I don't think we can pin this on the Conservatives - although some still go back to the Thatcher days some 20+ years ago. Massive unemployment will be the true disaster and cause of problems - that is my prediction. The hospitality industry is only one facet of this, albeit a significant one. In Yorkshire alone, a report today has stated that unemployment has increased by 10% during the past three months. So watch this issue - unemployment.
No, Peter, I did not say that the Conservatives are to blame for the ban.
The third paragraph of your previous post implies that there's unlikely to be an amendment because the 'anti-smoking' Lib Dems are part of the Tory government. My point was simply that, even with a majority Tory government, with Lansley as Health Secretary, an amendment might not have been likelier, anyway.
Let's face it, some Tory MPs are just as illiberal and patronising as Labour MPs and 'personal responsibility' (which I happen to believe is A Good Thing) will mean no more than doing what they decide is best for us because we're too stupid and irresponsible to make choices for ourselves (especially if we didn't vote for them).
Brown os gone, THANK GOD!!, now we can talk with a new government with different ideas and hopefully bring back freedom of choice for everyone and not just a few.
Sorry to disappoint you Clif e. Unless you are a foxhunter your restriction of choice remains. Cameron has stated that he will overturn the hunting ban but as for the smoking ban 'That argument is lost'.
I so a little fox hunting from time to time, as I live in rural countryside and believe you me, the foxes are a menace to our our livelihoods, costing us thousands of pounds a year. So I for one will be very please if and when David Cameron does overturn the hunting ban.
I am also a smoker, and I have it on very good authority that Mr Cameron is very keen to get the smoking ban amended in one way or another.
Everyone has been lamenting the demise of poor old Gordon. Now this morning, just hours after his "so-called departure" Sky News is announcing that:
Agent for Gordon Brown confirms the former Prime Minister is to remain an MP
Jeff.
“We lost the argument and we’ve moved on,” he says.
And are pubs better for it?
“Yes,” he replies. “We are all better off, because we are not smoking, but for a lot of people it’s a big change, because going to the pub for a pint and a fag was part of life.”
The above quote is from an interview from the Publican newspaper and clearly shows Cameron's views. So your friend is wrong or Cameron was lying to the interviewer. Which one is it?
By the way Joyce, a majority of Tory MPs voted against the smoking ban, and so it could possibly be expected that the Tory bit of the Lib-Con coalition might look favourably on some relaxation of the ban. However over 90% of Lib-Dem MPs voted for the complete ban.
@Peter 14.07 - but at least the damage he can inflict is confined.
@Peter 14.10 - yes, I know that, Peter, but doesn't it seem to you that if Cameron has appointed an uberNanny to the post of Health Secretary then that just might reflect his own propensity for nannying in which case no-one in the Cabinet even if it were a Lib Dem-free zone would be likely to have the will to amend the ban anyway?
You might well be right Joyce, only time will tell? The only thing we do know, is that Cameron, unlike Brown, hasn't promissed us any concesions on the smoking ban.
I wish he had of course, but if we don't get an amendment, at least we won't feel cheated out of something that that was not promissed to us in the first place.
Like Jeff, I too have been hearing whispers for some time about several things he would like to put into position if and when he became PM. But this is what I meant earlier when I said that now straddled with the Lib-Dems, he is going to find it very difficult to say the least on implementing a whole ranhe of proposals, the smoking ban being very low on his list of priorities.
Peter. Cameron gave so much away to the Lib/Dems while salivating for the top job that the Tory manifesto is history. One leading Tory said effectively their manifesto was ripped up and replaced with the Lib/Dems one.
He will be able to implement most policies because they were Lib/Dem ones in the first place. He may struggle to get the hunting ban overturned given the Liberal distain for it so he will have no chance nor inclination to change the smoking ban.
Tory voters wanted to be turkeys at Christmas despite knowing that Lansley was a smoker bigot, and Cameron was a coward. Now we are all ConDem-med. Thanks a lot! ... and No, Peter Thurgood, I am not feeling good about five more years of persecution and a new face dishing out more of the same. Not good at all :(
It's the Pharmacy thing in Lansey's statement here....
http://www.pjonline.com/news/pharmacy_potential_not_fully_exploited_say_conservatives
quote;
Pharmacy should be put to better use in the delivery of public health agendas like smoking cessation, according to the Conservative shadow secretary of state for health, Andrew Lansley.
Speaking at the King’s Fund Health Debate 2010 last week (22 April 2010), Mr Lansley said that, under the pharmacy contract, it was intended that pharmacists would help smokers who have not been targeted by their GPs, and stressed the importance of using the sector more in the provision of NHS smoking cessation services.
It's the smokers that had not been targeted bit I feel uncomfortable about .
Targetted ,how are they going to target me ?
I don't recall any of the GP's I had targeting me ?
Keep an eye on this one I think.
Something wicked this way comes.
I am amazed to see that Nostradamus is alive and well, and still predicting the future for us all, right here on "Taking Liberties".
I do not profess to be an expert on the great man, but didn't he predict the future as he saw it, both the good as well as the bad?
Whereas the predictions I am reading here, as remarkable as they are, are surely only giving us half the story? Can it really be true that the end in nigh? That the sky is about to collapse on us all within the next few days?
Can it really be true that the Devil himself, in the guise of David Cameron, has returned to earth to wreak his vengeance upon us, and to punish us for our sins, that are surely first and foremost, the unforgivable sin of smoking?
Can it also be true, that if we had voted for the great kipper in the sky, that none of these predictions would come about? Or as some are also predicting, that we deserve the terrible punishments which are about to rain down upon us, because we murdered the Messiah, also known as Saint Gordon of the Brown Stuff?
Keep it up boys and girls, I need a little light entertainment from time to time, when I get stuck with my work.
GRAMMATICAL NOTE: We do not say 'should of been' or 'would of got' we say 'should've been' or 'would've got' which are abbreviations of 'should have' and 'would have.' Sorry, I think it is important.
By the way, toady I feel elated. Gordon Brown and interferring 'wimmin' have lost power over my life.
I beg your pardon Mr Peoples, I do not have severe doubts as to Mr Atherton's statements at all. From what I have seen, Mr Atherton's statements consist largely of cut and paste jobs taken from various internet sources, which I have no trouble at all in accepting.
It is Mr Atherton's constant alluding to himself as some sort of leading light in the Conservative Party which worries me. It turns out now, much to Mr Atherton's own admission, that he was a Tory candidate for Leytonstone, and he is a member of a Tory fringe group.
I do get very worried when anyone sets themself up as something or someone, which they clearly are not, especially when they use the name of a political party to which I am affiliated to, although only in a small way I might add.
To get back to Mr People's however, you are trying to do on here, exactly what Mark has suggested, and that is to try imitate the spin of Mandelson and Campbell by throwing a spanner in the wheels of democracy.