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Forest versus Smoke Free North West

On Monday I was on Tony Livesey's late night chat show on Five Live. My direct opponent was councillor Pat Karney, NHS director of Smoke Free North West.

One or two of you have heard it already. For those who haven't, The Big Yin recorded it and has kindly given me the code to reproduce it here.

Reader Comments (25)

Heard this two or three days ago.
Simon - you were magnificent!
Now, at last, you're beginning to say the kind of things we smokers would like to say - or, at least, this one would.
Keep up the good work!

March 13, 2010 at 16:11 | Unregistered CommenterKaren

Wot Karen said above Simon. You played a blinder in the face of adversity. Thanks for the link btw.

March 13, 2010 at 16:37 | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYin

This blog reveals what Deborah Arnott's plans for smoking(and smokers) was in 2007. It fully exposes how far they want to go. READ IT NOW

March 13, 2010 at 17:09 | Unregistered CommenterEddie

I thought you were great, Simon. Wonderful to hear you speak with such passion - unlike the uber-dreary Carney, and I'm glad emails from those who disagreed with him were read out. Either editorial policy has changed or people in general are really beginning to fight back (not before time).

God, how I despise people like the guy who called in - is he so weak-willed that he requires HMG to help him give up smoking? Evidently so not to mention incredibly self-centred and selfish in the extreme.

But, pleeease, stop letting them get away with the funding question. Please make clear that the tobacco control lobby is funded by the pharma industry to which NRT represents ££££!

March 13, 2010 at 17:33 | Unregistered CommenterJoyce

Why is Pat Karney implying that the NHS and people like him are not trying to ban smoking is private places like cars, when that is what is discussed on their tobacco free future site?

March 13, 2010 at 17:38 | Unregistered CommenterFredrik Eich

Jesus, that Karney guy is a condascending, lying *******.

March 13, 2010 at 18:24 | Unregistered CommenterMr A

Just listened to the whole thing. Good show, Simon, despite the bias ("Great news for non-smokers," "Smoking in pubs would just be strange," and the woman in the background agreeing with every anti comment made).

But please throw the Big Pharma funding issue back at them. The fact that that they're now after e-fags is proof positive as far as I am concerned that it's all about Big Pharma taking over the nicotine market. I know this guy wasn't ASH (with their published letters saying they work in partnership with Big Pharma, their published funding records showing Big Pharma involvement and their massive shareholdings in Pharma companies) but PLEASE don't let them get away with it!

Good show, though, but my God how I hate these people....

Also good to hear that all but one of the callers was behind you (so much for 85% wanting it).

March 13, 2010 at 18:39 | Unregistered CommenterMr A

From Fredrik's link:

Experts such as Prof. Gerard Hastings from Stirling University........ will lead discussions on how to end the tobacco epidemic in the North West.

Isn't he the bloke who presented 'proof' (via his own research) to the House of Lords that cigarette displays make children take up smoking ?

No bias there, then......

March 13, 2010 at 20:15 | Unregistered CommenterKaren

Karen, Prof Hastings in the Mc Tear case co author of Under the Influence was described as "He was the invited expert at the Government Tobacco Summit. He described this as "very exciting". It was when the present Government first came into power and they had a strong commitment to do things about the problems of smoking. If they were to have a serious public health agenda, then tobacco had to be dealt with as well as possible, because it contributed such a big toll[sic]. The Government had called the summit to talk through the issues and "get learning from overseas". UKWP 1998 was one of the things that came out of it. Tobacco had to form a big part of any public health strategy.".

I think this means we do the smokers before we do the drinkers.

March 13, 2010 at 23:14 | Unregistered CommenterFredrik Eich

It never ceases to amaze me why politicians and the MSM go to these tobacco "experts" for information and advice. Why are they experts? Because they get annoyed by tobacco and spend all day banging on about it?

Using that criteria why don't they just get all their information on race issues from the BNP?

It would be about as unbiased as the guff they get from these pharma-funded donkeys.

March 13, 2010 at 23:26 | Unregistered CommenterMr A

Do you remember when Pat Karney tried to get the " Unrepentant Smokers Float " banned from a parade in Manchester.

Pat Karney ( Director of Tobacco Free Manchester )

Read the minutes of Manchester City Council ,
Health and Wellbeing Overview and Scrutiny Committee held on 16 July 2009.

March 13, 2010 at 23:52 | Unregistered CommenterEddie


Have a look at the delegates lists and ask yourself " how does the NHS and other publicly funded organisations have money to spend on this when front line services are being cut"

2010 Delegates 225 ( Registered so far )

2009 Delegates 846

2008 Delegates 759

2007 Delegates 603

2006 Delegates 523

2005 Delegates 585

March 13, 2010 at 23:59 | Unregistered CommenterEddie

Joyce -

Yes - the 'I-was-helped-to-quit-by-the-Ban' brigade have always struck me, too, as a nauseating little group of self-centred Teacher's Pets.

And according to a letter sent to me a while ago by the now-sadly-missed Chairman of the Tory Party, Caroline Spelman (aka 'Goody Two-Shoes'), the Dear Leader must be included among their number.

But are we being uncharitably short-sighted here ?

Although not exactly in keeping with the current fashion for East German governance we've all come to love (c/w a growing network of Citizen Informers), the introduction of additional SAUDI-type laws into the UK would also do much to stiffen the spines of at least three kinds of 'offender': shoplifters, alcohol-abusers, and adulterers.

There's nothing like a nice bit of public stoning to take the edge off extra-marital dalliance, for example.

Which should also benefit the children.

In our multi-cultural society, it would enjoy quite widespread support, I am certain - whatever the Little Englanders might carpingly suggest.

Worth thinking about ?

March 14, 2010 at 10:31 | Unregistered CommenterMartin V

Fredrik - here

Professor Gerard Hastings may be consulted about:

* Advertising Regulation
* Cigarette Marketing
* Health Promotion
* Social Marketing
* Tobacco, Alcohol and Food Marketing
* Pandemic Flu

Yep - we're the blueprint sure enough.

Eddie - your last comment would do well on the Alzheimers post over at f2c's blog. Also, if anyone has the figures to hand for how much is spent on on anti-tobacco advertising compared with tobacco advertising (ball-park guess = £0?) there are some especially childish 'big evil tobacco co's' comments going up on the same blog.

(Always assuming Simon doesn't mind me advertising f2c's blog!)

March 14, 2010 at 10:36 | Unregistered CommenterKaren


The TCCC receives funding from Cancer Research UK, Chartered Institute of Environment Health,
GlaxoSmithKline, Johnson & Johnson Consumer Services EAME Limited and Pfizer Limited

March 14, 2010 at 11:22 | Unregistered CommenterEddie

Brilliant interview Simon, you held the side up well and told them exactly how we smokers feel.
There's always a nausiating little turd like Chris, who needs help to wipe his ars, that pop up on these interviews, whatever rock they managae to find them under.
I notice there was great consternation all round when Simon mentioned the Verboten word 'multiculturism'.
Its all right to jail one of our own citizens, honour him with a prison record and ruin his business over a madey-up law for allowing some poor punter to have a smoke on his own premises, but oh my god dont mention the 'M' word in case our new friends feel offended. Its a wonder Simon didnt have the heavy gang waiting for him after the show.
In our multicultural society it would enjoy quite widespread support to integrate Sharia law no doubt and make Bans much easier to enforce for our lap dog govt.
Meanwhile two Britons in Dubai (a man and woman) are under threat of a months jail and deportation for kissing in a restaurant.

March 14, 2010 at 13:05 | Unregistered Commenterann

"England swings like a pendulum do
Bobbies on bicycles, two by two
Westminster Abbey, the tower of Big Ben
The rosy red cheeks of the little children."

(Roger Miller, 1966)

Time for some new verses ?

March 14, 2010 at 16:11 | Unregistered CommenterMartin V

England groans like a creaky old swing
Government policies misery bring
Village pub, urban bar, private club too
If they catch you smoking there, that day you will rue

March 14, 2010 at 18:46 | Unregistered CommenterJoyce

Ten little ...... ....
No, better not, I might get shot.

March 14, 2010 at 18:59 | Unregistered Commenterann

Joyce -

Nice one !

Ann -

Phew - that WAS close....................!

March 14, 2010 at 19:28 | Unregistered CommenterMartin V

England swings like a pendulum do
Enforcement Officers ,two by two
On the spot fines,whip out a pen
Fill up the coffers of Government again.

England swings like a pendulum do
Anti-Smoking lobbyists,form a queue
No compromise they chant, again and again
Under the shadow of mighty Big Ben.

England ticks like a rusty old clock
Smoking Legislation, a load of old cock
Public opinion begins to swell
Anti-Smoking zealots, go to hell.

England roars like the proud lion do
Commonsense prevails,what else could they do
The ban has been amended,consigned to history
Intolerance defeated,by you and by me.

March 14, 2010 at 19:48 | Unregistered CommenterEddie

Eddie -

Wunderbar !

It was a tough decision, but the Prize goes to....

March 14, 2010 at 22:21 | Unregistered CommenterMartin V

Ann, that was a novel by Agatha Christie was it not? Has it been banned yet?

March 16, 2010 at 9:33 | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYin

Come to think of it Big Yin, I havent seen that particular book around for years now.
Maybe they've renamed it for politically correct purposes or it cant be reprinted for the same reason.
But imagine going in to WH Smiths and asking for it nowadays.
They'd probably call the cops!

March 17, 2010 at 11:59 | Unregistered Commenterann

ann - see here

March 17, 2010 at 17:52 | Unregistered CommenterJoyce

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