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Thursday, July 29, 2010 You are welcome to comment on a wide range of issues while I am away (see below) but please don't abuse this thread. Comment moderation can be activated should the need arise ...
Update on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 by
Simon Clark
Simon Clark
Thanks for all your comments. I've just read them and there's some interesting stuff. I might make this Open Thread a regular feature!
Reader Comments (250)
A surgeon? The antis will be up in arms over that one. Since they believe in 'third hand smoke' now, they may demand that letters be written to every patient who was ever in their care or even may have passed within 50 feet of them in a corridor. Can you imagine?
"Perhaps a 20 foot long cigarette holder could be the solution.................".
A bit tough on the old teeth, though ?
A nice piece of Lateral Thinking, nonetheless, and it's high time cigarette-holders made a comeback: they have a caddish quality about them which is pleasingly at odds with the Aryan Master Race mentality of the legions of health-faddists that have sprung up in our midst.
I think it's something They're putting in the bottled water that's making so many otherwise rational people ever so slightly weird...........................
@ Liberty
Hi. The critical idea of the 'idea' is to relieve publicans of the onus to police 'polution cessation'. The whole idea is about enabling (in a round about way) publicans to say, "Smoke? Suit yourselves - nothing to do with me. I'm not responsible for 'atmospheric pollution" Or, IF HE WISHES, he can say, "Smoke? No - I run a 'no smoking' pub, I'm afraid. The Nags Head around the corner is a smoking pub - the one that is full." The idea is that it would be interesting to see just how popular the ban would be without the onus on publicans.
As regards puting the onus on smokers, I did thing of that. The fact of the matter is that the onus (as regards smoking in pubs etc) is already on smokers - it makes no difference. I thought about the Big Tobacco implication as well, and decided not to mention it - on the grounds that a smokeless REAL cigarette is an impossibility.
I haven't yet looked at the results in terms of votes etc on my idea on Your Freedom. I do not expect anything. I feel that as long as I have done my bit, I can do little else. I shall go there shortly.
I still think that my critical idea that 'publicans do not cause th pollution and therefore ought not to be the people responsible for stopping it' is correct.
If there is one part of the country which still speaks its own language and still thinks it own language and is still tightly knit, it is Geordieland. If smoking prevalence there has 'officially' fallen, then one can almost certainly assume that it has 'unofficially' increased. Now, let me think..........is there not a port nearby which is quite close to Europe? Mmmmm.
Smuggling used to be a dirty word - not any more! Thus do unintended consequences arise. Until recently, smuggling was confined to druggies and such - now there are 20 million people who no longer think that smuggling is such a bad thing.
Junican -
"When the boat comes in", eh ?
A pleasing thought (and probably true).
Since the governance of our land has clearly now been taken over by Pirates, I find it hard to work up any animus against The Smugglers.
At least the Smugglers PROVIDE you with something you want.
Pirates only TAKE (and those in the Government Business invariably 'provide' you with things you DON'T want - or even need).
"Five and twenty ponies,
Trotting through the dark -
Brandy for the Parson,
'Baccy for the Clerk.................."
Etc
Andrew 22.02. The sure way to get rid of the smoking ban is to run smoking cafes owned by hundreds of supporters each prepared to chip in a few pounds each month to pay the fines. This is feasible. Several thousand pounds was collected to pay the fine of the imprisoned publican.
WRT the North East, a meeting I attended was addressed by a Mr Big of Gateshead Council. This man was in his element. He talked, excitedly (and rather self-importantly) about missions overseas and produced a very glossy brochure full of the Council's plans for development - not just of the town, but its people! Oh yes, the annual health targets were in there to bully unsuspecting citizens to quit smoking, eat, drink and exercise according to Council diktat (this is a Council which distributed salt shakers with fewer holes to fish and chip shops to stop people having too much salt!!!!). Whilst I respect the Council's efforts to improve Gateshead (which has always felt itself to be the poor relation of Newcastle) it remains an area of inter-generational high unemployment and poverty. I very much doubt that its citizens have given up smoking in their droves because all the factors that keep people smoking (people who do want to quit) are still in place.
Gateshead, however, is rich as Croesus in comparison to Teesside which has an appalling health record. The Superior there are trying to knock its citizens into shape but have so little understanding of human nature that they don't realise that until you give people real hope and opportunities to free themselves from grinding poverty then they won't be willing to change their lifestyles.
Fewer holes in the salt shakers? Good grief. Presumably now diners will get RSI from having to shake more to get the salt out. Swings and roundabouts...
Seriously though, the more people are dictated to and 'orchestrated' by limitation, the more we'll see a revival of home dining, house parties, etc.
"Staying in is the new going out..."
...it'll be the quietest revolution in history...
Joyce -
Re:
"Oh yes, the annual health targets were in there to bully unsuspecting citizens to quit smoking, eat, drink and exercise according to Council diktat ..............."
Is THIS what certain bright-eyed Conservatives mean by 'The New Localism' (that bloody word, 'new', again.....................) ?
If so, then they can stuff it.
The idea of Westiminster-style Clones appearing like buboes during the Black Death in every parish, town, and city in the land fills me with something less than unbridled joy and optimism.........................
(BTW - apart from providing an excuse for jollies at the ratepayers' expense - what IS the point of 'twinning', exactly ?)
Liberty – Like I said I think this is too fantastic to be true. But I sure hope it’s true.
Martin V 23:45 – I know, I am audaciously weird. (Or did you meant that about the “Aryan Master Race health-faddists” who I believe are awe-inspiringly stranger than I am.) Caddish, yes most certainty, but I always think of Lauren Bacall and Audrey Hepburn, when I think of cigarette holders.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but it seams that the anti-smokers keep coming up with outrageous ideas, not because they think it will work, but to shift the emphasis away from discussions about current problems. It seems to be not unlike someone suing someone, with no intention of winning, just to get an out of court settlement.
They seem to use this tactic to their advantage. Example third-hand-smoke. They slowly shift the goal-posts in their favour, so that we are constantly tied up fighting on wacky issues. I think we need to somehow redress this balance but I don’t know how. All my ideas come from lateral-thinking that always end with bizarre conclusions. I don’t think I’m alone on this. When fighting a bureaucracy all sorts of peculiar situations arise. I heard about hospitals removing the wheels from beds, putting them in corridors and reclassifying them as wards. This was due to some government target that was impossible to reach.
Anon 12:24 – I have looked into this, I think it might work but only in high-population areas. You’d probably need to be a solicitor too. Im not sure how many times a pub can be fined 2500 pounds in a day.
Fewer holes in the salt shakers? Makes my 20-foot-long cigarette holder seem decidedly ordinary. People have lost their minds. Its no longer like the Orwellian nightmare, we have now got into the territory of Terry Gilliam’s Brazil!.
Martin V 16:19 – I have always wondered if the usually up market foreign place some of our drabbest towns are twinned with advertise that they are twinned with our towns. Twinned with Kidderminster? sounds a bit naff. The only point seems to be, if your trying to help a friend in the sign-making business.
@Andrew Perrin - Gateshead Council's salt shakers is an example of lateral thinking, albeit a risible one, but there was a famous one, often quoted to Marketing students of the toothpaste manufacturer trying to increase sales. After, unsuccessfully, trying to persuade people to clean their teeth more frequently they hit upon the idea of making the hole in the tube bigger - job done. I think that antismokers are constantly marketing their message and they survive by sending out new messages periodically rather as washing powder manufacturers sell increasingly exotic fragrances/stain-seeking technology/environmentally-friendly, cool wash but hot results and so on.
I actually think that anon 12.24's suggestion could work as a publicity exercise: there aren't any dedicated, 24 hour snitch lines or enforcement officers and, if it was organised in a pub the majority of whose customers were smokers, they could probably get away with it for a while. If a number of pubs covered by the same LA agreed to do it simultaneously, the authorities could hardly cope, unless justice is so dead in this country now that hearsay is enough to convict.
I was thiking of this THS baloney as I waited for my bus this morning, smoking inside (as it was raining).
Would Adshel fit some showers in the roof of the shelter so I don't contaminate my fellow passengers before boarding?
Or maybe supply one of them paper contamination suits for us?
They could be sponsored by ASH naturally, with nice big ASH logos and helpline numbers on them.
Joyce - There is a dedicated snitch line - see below.
Smoking compliance line number is 0800 587 166 7 to report possible breaches of the law.
It would be nice to be able to electronically deluge this number with spurious calls.
Want more information about enforcement: smokefreeengland
Andrew P -
No, I was certainly not suggesting that YOU were weird !
Your comments suggest a creative rationality that's far from that.
I was referring, of course, to the New Aryans (Christ, I'm turning into a Neo-maniac, too).
Apologies for any confusion............................................
And yes, I agree that much of the wackiness from the enemy camp smacks of Diversionary Tactics. Not surprising, really: our Masters use it with 99% success in other areas of our national (and international) life.
I like to think of the contributors to THIS site (apart from those naughty little provocateurs one sees occasionally) as accounting for the 1% failure rate.
Let us hope that figure begins to rise before too long.
Re:
"the sign-making business......................."
That DOES make sense. It's the only feasible explanation for those signs I see on my way to work that advertise the Local Authority's efforts to 'Combat Climate Change'.
Unless, that is, it has recently added the ability to control Solar Flares, Cloud Formation, and the effects of Tectonic Plate Shift to its already impressive repertoire.
In which case, I shall treat all further pronouncements with more respect than hitherto I've been inclined to.
On the other hand, it could just be talking bollocks.
Yep - I think I'll go with THAT one for now.
Bless 'em.........................................
@ Andrew Perrin
There is a way to redress the balance!
Unfortunately, it likely to be a slow, drawn out process. Even on this site, people do not see the significance of what I said earlier.
Everyone, including MPs (useful fools), has been conned into believing that tobacco smoke is a health issue. It may well be so, but if it is so, it is only in a roundabout way. The reality is that the ‘tobacco smoke issue’ is a POLLUTION issue. The huge con in the whole Health Act scenario is the insistence that tobacco smoke so pollutes the atmosphere that it is dangerous. Even if that were so (which we believe is not true), a law which forces people who ARE NOT THE POLLUTERS to force the polluters to stop polluting the atmosphere is an unjust law.
The point that I make is that once the people who are required by law to enforce the cessation of pollution realise that it is not their duty to do so (because they are not the polluters), there is a genuine reason for these people to stop doing so.
Publicans do not pollute their pubs with tobacco smoke. Smokers do (if, in fact this is true and if the pollution is sufficiently strong to be dangerous). The idea that publicans should stop people polluting, unpaid and at their own expense, is an aberration. (NB. Smokers are already considered to be evil bastards and polluters and are already subject to fines for ‘polluting’, so this is not a further attack on smokers).
Unfortunately, no one who advises publicans, be it the LVA or the Brit Pub Assn, has the knowledge, intelligence or courage to advise publicans properly.
If ever a denial of a basic human right (the right NOT TO BE accountable for what others do) needed to be contested, this is it.
It is time for publicans to assert their right not to be government agents.
Oh, and further, the 'con' has been effected by pure propaganda. Get lots of 'professors' etc to say that tobacco smoke is a health issue rather than a pollution issue often enough and everyone accepts it, true or not.
Snitching on smokers, twinning of towns, smokers causing pollution, less holes in dangerous salt shakers etc etc etc, all this in the middle of a deep recession, which in my opinion was contrived by our New World Order Master/Masters?
Yes the diversionery tactics are working very well.
As for twinning of towns, its just another con by Councils for exhotic junkets at the taxpayers expense. Whenever I drive in the country I look out for the new sign that will say 'twinned with Las Vegas' instead of the old dull ones like France and Poland.
Ann -
Like I said - share your insights with your friends: it's one way to fight these bastards.
Have you been watching the marvellous series on BBC (when they're good, they're VERY good) about the Normans ?
It's funny that - nearly a thousand years on - we English are still apt to think of the Anglo-Saxon (and Danish) population as 'us', and the Normans as 'them'.
I imagine there's a similar sentiment in Ireland with regard to the Anglo-Normans ?
Quite absurd from a genetic point of view, of course.
And yet it seems as though we're experiencing a partial return to those days, albeit one modified by modern sensibilities:
A power-crazy and rapacious Ruling Elite, contemptuous of the population at large, and caring nothing for its traditions, customs, and laws - and even less for its feelings.
The tragedy of it is that the Modern Normans have grown up among us.
And that makes them even harder to fight than their castle-building, broadsword-wielding forebears.
Especially when they keep smiling at us.
(At least the Duke's men left us some beautiful cathedrals)
Us and Them.
Perhaps some things never change, after all...................................
BTW, for those with a love of history (and who haven't been yet), I HEARTILY recommend a trip down to Battle Abbey in Kent during the weekend of
October 10 th and 11th - and a look at the re-enactment of the Battle of Hastings. It gets better every year, and there's always a bloody good beer-tent.
There are usually some REAL 'Normans' there, too (quite frightening, actually) - whilst the local chapter of Hell's Angels - complete with axes -seems to make up a goodly portion of King Harold's Housecarls up on the ridge.
Great fun !
Have a look before the HSE bans it :
http://www.visit1066country.com/hastings/events/hastingsweek/battle.aspx
Correction:
Saturday, October 9th, and Sunday, October 10th.
@Martin
I am afraid I am slightly going to disagree with you here. Although William the Bastard won, he only had an army of 7,000 against a population of about 2 million people. Yes he did invite other Normans over including clergy but if you are English you are largely Germanic. English is still considered a Germanic language but with many adjectives and names borrowed from French. Even at its height only 10% of the population ever spoke French although as a written language English disappears from 1087 to 1215.
Take England's football team and the derivation of their surnames.
Hart - Old High German (Anglo Saxon)
Johnson- OHG (AS) the use of 'son' is derived from Scandinavia
Terry - OHG (AS)
Barry - Is infact Norman French
Cole - OHG (AS)
Lampard - OHG (AS)
Gerrard - OHG (AS) I thought his name was going to be Norman French but not.
Rooney - Irish
Crouch - OHG (AS)
Walcott - OHG (AS)
The Neville brothers who played for England have a Norman French surname, derived from Neuville in Normandy. Finally;
Clark or Clarke - OHG (AS) a writer literally as in clerk.
Atherton - OHG (AS) for the 'dwelling by the spring farm.'
Dave A -
Not quite sure of the source of the 'disagreement' - unless it's about the fascinating (and endlessly modified) question about the genetic inheritance of the 'English'.
And I speak as a proud Englishman myself - albeit one with English, Italian, Spanish, and German roots no more than four generations back.
The prevalence of Anglo-Saxon place-names, and the ultimate triumph of 'Englisc' (with the insertion of one or two words from abroad) certainly suggests that 'we' rather swamped 'them', naturally.
Is that what you're getting at ?
But, given the intermarriage over more than 900 years between the native races of the British Isles since the Conquest alone, to say nothing of the out-of-wedlock liaisons that took place before Family Planning became an industry, plus the devastaing effects of the Black Death (which tended to bear more heavily on the poorer subjects of the realm), it would be a brave man who could deny any Norman blood in his veins.
There's always incest (a mathematical certainty), of course - but there might be children watching, so we'll leave that one for now.
Guess we'll just have to wait for the entire nation to be mouth-swabbed.
Can't be long - can it ?
But, of even greater interest than the story of our collective gene-pool, is the notion -which I imagine you're familiar with - that the Conquest had such a deep impact on the collective psyche that the Us-and-Them (Government and Governed) mentality survives to this day with rather greater force than in most other countries.
It's a theory I used to scorn.
But I'm not so sure now................................
PS:
My mother's family name is 'Martin' - so I'm not sure what that says about me.
PPS:
What do the think the chances are of 'Aetheflaed' makiing a comeback as a girl's name ? It'd make a change from 'Kylie', anyway.......................
Wouldn't 'Ethel' be the modern (well... recent) variation?
Liberty -
Re:
"Wouldn't 'Ethel' be the modern (well... recent) variation?"
Yep - although 'Ethel' is merely the modern spelling for 'Aethel(e)' - a very common Anglo-Saxon prefix, meaning 'Noble':
Aethelraed, Aethelstan, Aethelwulf, Aethelbert etc etc................
Probably sounded quite sexy at one time.
Sadly, the Auntie Kylies will be greatly outnumbering the Auntie Ethels ere long.
Such is fashion !
(Just hope that 'Gaga' doesn't catch on. Wouldn't bet on it though.........................)
Hmmm... NobleStan; NobleBert.... interesting! I had no the little elderly Ethels of this world had such grand roots. Thanks for the education :)
Oops... that should have read "no idea2 - obviously.
...or even "no idea". (Cripes... perhaps I'm getting to be Ethel-aged...)
Does anybody know how to rid a computer of the Security Tool trojan virus?
Its virtually taken over my computer and I don't know how to remove it.
Any help appreciated...thank you.
@DavidR - sorry, I'm dim wrt computers.
Thanks for the link to SmokefreeEngland - I'd have to steel myself to visit (had to have a lie down after completing the survey mentioned a few pages back). I wonder how many calls the snitchline has received in the past year - I'll bet the cost of manning it far outstrips its usefulness.
WRT Normans v ASs or Governors v Governed - there can't be any other country which has such a pronounced class system as England and, despite NuLabour's efforts, it still lives on in a myriad of signs, from the way people set a table to the rolling up of shirt sleeves! Jilly Cooper fisked it in a wickedly sharp way in her book, "Class".
What happens in America.....
Have a look at Dick Puddlecote's latest post.
The time is well and truly past for polite sparring with the tobacco control lobby. It's surely also past for chuntering online about the ban.
Joyce -
"despite NuLabour's efforts.............."
NuLabour WERE The Normans (Anthony de Blair and Peter Fitzmandel, especially)..........................dressed up occasionally (and not too convincingly) as Anglo-Saxons.
Some of us saw through the disguise, though.
As for the NuTories..............................................
Like you said, though :enough of all this talk.
When do we get to torch the Baron's castle ?
David R -
Not easy - but no need to panic.
There are, of course, quite a few sites with suggestions via Google.
This one seems pretty sound (if you're PC-literate):
http://www.2-viruses.com/remove-security-tool
If you're a little nervous of digging too deeply into the computer's entrails, however, I suggest you take your machine along to your nearest PC shop, and get them to sort it.
As always, back up all important files first.
Computer sorted at no cost!
Martin - Thank you for the link and taking the trouble to reply to my pleas for help. Some wonderful news but first let me tell you this.
I hope this isn’t boring or long winded. I was watching an episode of Columbo starring the actress Lee Grant in Ransom for a dead man. I decided to Google her name to see what became of her since 1971.
Sadly, she no longer looks the same after plastic surgery, and she was an attractive lady…but then suddenly up pops this fake security virus scanning tool which said my computer was infected, I clicked on a button to find out more only to find my computer was then in the grip of a malicious Trojan virus called Security Tool, which began taking over my computer leaving me unable to use vital programmes such as email.
I’ve spent all day trawling the internet for answers, but they are very complicated and dangerous and if you get it wrong you’re in deep trouble. I downloaded Spyware Doctor which scanned my system but then wanted £29.95 for software to remove the Trojan.
Anyway to cut a long story short, I remembered about starting the computer in safe mode and using system restore to go back to a date before the problem started…and guess what after completing the process the malware has vanished. I shall have to reload my Grosvenor roulette again though.
What I can’t understand though, is that there is no mention of this method on YouTube or anywhere else.
I know what you’re thinking Martin…will he watch another Columbo episode and do the same again…no Martin I won’t…tonight I’m watching Casablanca followed by Out of the Past (Build My Gallows High).
Enjoy the rest of your evening Martin.
David R -
That IS good news.
Worrying, though, that even clicking on the most innocent of links can spring these nasty surprises on you, isn't it ?
And I've always loved 'Columbo': formulaic it may have been, but Peter Falk's sly humour gave it a certain something lacking in similar products from the Hollywood Sausage Complex (TV Division).
You can NEVER go wrong with 'Casablanca', though.
And back in those days, everyone LOVED America.
How times have changed.
Very, very sad..........................................
@ David R
Have you got virus protention? I use AVG Free (you can google it).It costs nothing and picks up malware.
Junican - Yes I have been looking at AVG. Thanks.
Martin, the Anglo Norman's decendants seem to be running the country here these days, while the new invaders, made up of so many different nationalities its hard to distinguish who is 'us' from who is 'them' anymore.
They're sure winning the war on the benefits front though.
Ann -
Mass immigration is one way to water us down, of course, and destroy any sense of national/racial consciousness - which is Very, Very Wicked, and leads to Nasty Wars - despite the humane intentions of our political leaders (cough, cough).
Which is why, you will have noticed, our Masters - being Advanced Life-Forms - have little or no sense of nationhood (except when it comes to football, naturally).
THEIR consciousness, you see, is on a Planetary level.
Which - coincidentally - is the level at which the Really Big Bucks are made.
One interesting point about the Norman Conquest, though:
If there was one thing William's men despised about the English, it was their apparent 'addiction' to alcohol (hop-free ale and mead).
They soon caught on, though, and went a bit native.
Nonetheless, I'm sure you can spot An Interesting Parallel with the official attitudes of modern times towards booze.
And possibly something else.
Clearly, The People NEED a firm hand.
Or so it is widely believed up at the Manor..........................................
Ann -
By way of a postcript:
On the subject of 'diversionary tactics' (media crap version), click on the following AJ link when you have a spare 5 minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B_xBWsDpz0
In this one tiny segment, Alex says it all for me.
And I confess it: he IS one of my Heroes (it's one prejudice I can live with).
There aren't too many left.
We need MORE Noble Anger at what's going on.
Much more........................................
DavidR, may I second Jinican with regard to AVG. That Trojan Horse would have gone straight to the virus vault.
Thanks for the link Martin, will do.
Agree with what you say.
'humane intentions of our political leaders' makes it all the better when ones political leaders are getting well paid for it by our EU real 'political' leaders.
Funny how Russia are now stating that they havent enough grain for export which could put up the price of ...........etc etc etc!!
Timbone - Perhaps I've been too hasty about my success.
This morning I received an email in reply to my posting on YouTube about Security Tool removal.
'because Security Tool is installed by a Trojan System restore is just going take you back to the Trojan and it will re download it again in the next few days'
Oh dear!
Apparently it will cost £35 to remove completely.
DaveR if you download AVG free, it will sort it out for you. There are several sites who offer it, but if you use the AVG site you don't get so many unwanted add ons. They will try and pursuade you to have the full version you pay for, but the free version is fine. Still recommended by Webuser.
Timbone - Thanks I will give this a try!
@DavidR
It is possible that he virus that you have acquired can block the AVG download. these things happen, but have a go. The AVG download is simple.
It may also be worth your while to get a 'registry cleaner'. I have 'Advanced Registry Optimiser 2008'. Google it - it is free. What it does (and I am not quite sure what I am talking about!) is remove useless 'connections' which remain on your computer after you have 'deleted' something. I am sorry that I cannot describe the thing more clearly - I do not know enough - but but it is surprising how many 'bits and bats' just hang around on your computer waiting to be activated. Not that they are harmful - merely that they are useless. You may be surprised to see how many of these useless connections accumulate over a period of time.
AVG is very good. I would be very surprised if this virus can stop you accessing AVG. Give it a go, and report back. If you can still access this site, things cannot be that awful.
Let us know how you get on.
In a very general sense, is this not the very epitome of co-operation? We help each other as best we can, even if we are wrong. the last thing that we need is Central Government DICTATING. There lies another reason for Professor this or that to butt out of our lives. Whether Professor this or that is right or wrong about smoking, we have the right to amuse ourselves as we wish, That means that people who smoke can set up bars for smokers, if they wish. There really is no problem.
Junican
'Advanced Registry Optimiser 2008'. - Will try it...thanks.
DavidR
I am always removing that Trojan (for that is what it is not a virus) of which you write, for people who are, shall we say, less than computer savvy.
Fiirst download the free version of Malwarebyte's Anti-Malware from here http://www.malwarebytes.org/
Second download this anti-virus program (free version), avast! from here http://www.avast.com/en-gb/index
If you cannot get to these sites due to the trojan blocking and redirecting then your options are A) Use an uninfected pc to download them (friends?) and put them on a flash drive to transfer to your machine or B) find someone you trust to download them and email them to you as attachments.
Disconnect from the internet BEFORE trying to install them as the trojan will re-establish itself to a home site (normally in Russia) and block the installation.
Install Malwarbyte first. Open it once installed and perform the 'quick scan'. After it lists the infected files (finishes the scan) use the default option to remove them. After doing this shut down your computer. Leave for 30 seconds then start it up again (do not connect to the internet). Repeat the process.
After doing this install the avast! anti-virus program (it may try to connect to the internet to update itself. Ignore that). After it's been installed run a scan. If it finds any infections delete them. Shut down the pc again. Wait 30 seconds and fire it up again.
Connect to the internet, open the Malwarebyte prog and click the [Update] button -> click [Check for Update].
The avast! program should update itself with a female voice saying "virus database updated". You can turn this option off by clicking the orange icon in the system tray then going to [settings] -> [sounds].
Run the Malwarebyte prog again but don't shut down your pc unless it finds more infections. If all is clear then you shoul be good to go!
Avast! updates are automatic, Malwarebytes are manual (update at least once a week).
Scan system often, minimum of at least once a week.
Any problems you have you can drop me a line at sector347[AT]gmx[DOT]co[DOT]uk
If you really want to be virus/trojan free consider Linux!
Holl - Thanks for your information...I have been aware of the programmes you speak of and shall try them.
Although I have removed Security Tool with a system restore via safe mode, I have now lost access to my programme Grosvenor Casinos...because I restored to a point before I downloaded this programme and with which I have an account.
However I still have a Grosvenor Casino folder with all the files intact (520mb) but I can’t open the casino gaming, so it looks as if I shall have to reload the programme again.
My question would be this. Should I delete all the Grosvenor folders and files and re-download this programme, or re-download the programme all over again leaving all those identical files intact.
I shall backup this programme to a CD-RW in future.
Well, Holl, that is brilliant! I have copied and saved it. Thank God we have someone who knows what he is talking about!
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