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MPs reject David Nuttall Bill

MPs today rejected David Nuttall's 10-Minute Rule Bill to amend the smoking ban.

Ayes 86
Noes 141
Majority 55

Reader Comments (23)

How totally typical and desparately disappointing for so many, and not just smokers.

I wonder how many actually listened to his reasoning? Probably not many.

Is total lack of common sense and, in many cases, brain cells, a pre-requisite for getting in government, local and national? It would explain a lot if it were.

October 13, 2010 at 13:22 | Unregistered CommenterLyn

Not too bad a result. Given that these things 'test' popularity for future reference, we're getting closer. Even with a second reading, it wouldn't have got anywhere.

Barron said nothing of any import or certainly little that would impress and not the most coherent speech I've heard. The usual anti job, all splutterings and stutterings, quoting the ASH hymn sheet. Obviously these people simply do no research whatsoever to Religiously quote what he's fed, seemingly without question. Wonder who winds him up?

October 13, 2010 at 13:45 | Unregistered CommenterFrank

"shows evidence of major health benefits"
What major health benefits?
I have not seen any apart from heart attack studies that demonstrate how bent anti-smoking science is.

October 13, 2010 at 13:46 | Unregistered CommenterFredrik Eich

"utilitarian arguments for paternalism"
Very funny!
I thought utilitarianism was about making as many people as possible happy NOT just keeping the majority happy!!!

October 13, 2010 at 13:55 | Unregistered CommenterFredrik Eich

Frankly the task of amending the smoking ban has been made more difficult for us after two Commons defeats.

Barron was reading from a scipt prepared by ASH and I believe the pro choice movement has to challenge ASH and the Department Of Health on second hand smoke, we have the ammunition.

Steve Baker is a colleague of mine at the Progressive Conservatives and in my opinion is an outstanding MP and great bloke.

October 13, 2010 at 14:02 | Unregistered CommenterDave Atherton

I'd like to know if my Tory on the fence MP, Karl McCartney voted for or against. Does anyone know?

October 13, 2010 at 14:11 | Unregistered CommenterPat Nurse

Same for mine Justine Greening.

October 13, 2010 at 15:26 | Unregistered CommenterCarlos

Yes it will be very interesting to see who voted.
It's about civil liberty not dodgy statistics.

October 13, 2010 at 15:42 | Unregistered CommenterSpecky

No - it's about money not compassion and hate not health, Specky. Those MPs should hang their heads in shame for encouraging such hatred and exclusion of a minority group.

October 13, 2010 at 16:28 | Unregistered CommenterPat Nurse

When i mentioned in the pub last night that this was happening i had many excited people come up to me and ask me what was going on, your average pub goer/ smoker
are not aware of the truths behind this ban, we need to be reaching a wider audience, its preaching to the converted on the internet, hopefully someone will print a list of the naysayers and they need to be lobbied hard and taught the facts of the real reason for pub closures and ASH lies.

October 13, 2010 at 16:49 | Unregistered CommenterFROSTY

I would add that to have 140 anti MP's voting on a 10 min. rule bill indicates how concerned they are. And it wont go away. I agree with Frosty that those voting no should be the targets. Barron's diatribe showed that.

October 13, 2010 at 17:13 | Unregistered CommenterFrank

I'm interested to see how mine voted if at all as the constituency has one of the highest adult smoking rates in England.
If Noe i'll spread it around a LOT.

October 13, 2010 at 17:21 | Unregistered CommenterSpecky

McCartney WILL get my vote next election. I am impressed. let's hope other;'s will follow

October 13, 2010 at 18:08 | Unregistered CommenterPat Nurse

A disappointing result today but not particularly surprising given the susceptibility of so many MPs to brainwashing by the pc police. At the same time it was encouraging to see that almost a third demonstrated some capacity for rational, independant thought.

As others have commented, the issue of smoking, as well as the larger issue of public concern over the erosion of personal liberties, won't go away simply to suit those who seek to control every detail of our lives.

These control freaks who voted against the motion need to understand in no uncertain terms that at the very next opportunity we will vote against those who voted against us. That's democracy.

October 13, 2010 at 21:33 | Unregistered CommenterPetronius Arbiter

The majority of MPs that voted for and against were new MPs.

October 13, 2010 at 22:35 | Unregistered Commenterchas

Well it looks like more trips to the continent so i can enjoy my cigars in a nice comfortable atmosphere in countries with sensible smoking policies. Do these MP's really represent their constituents?

October 14, 2010 at 15:10 | Unregistered CommenterAndy Davies

Very encouraging and a huge coup for Freedom from Social Fascism that a swing of only 29 voting MPs would take this to an Aye. Thank you David Nuttall, and now it's on to supporting Brian Binley MP's Early Day Motion to force the review of the Nanny State's totalitarian Ban which they reneged on their promise to hold after 3 years.

There is little doubt that once this issue is given its full impetus that it cannot fail to put an end to this new form of Discrimination - bluster all you like Mr. Barron but there ARE no excuses for throwing citizens out onto the streets.

The 'debate' and account of who voted which way is already published in Hansard Online.

October 14, 2010 at 15:40 | Unregistered CommenterCommon Sense, Please!

October 14, 2010 at 15:42 | Unregistered CommenterCommon Sense, Please!

Mr. Barron's comments in the House were patronizing and insulting.

Workers in this country, sir, are perfectly able to DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES whether to take on work in a place which allegedly compromises their health, be it a smoky pub, a traffic polluted street, a building site, a fishing boat, any office where flu germs circulate, or indeed any job involving stress.

The LAST thing workers need is someone putting their traditional leisure time bastions - pubs, clubs and bingo halls - out of business by perpetuating frivolous legislation.

You're supposed to be Labour - try helping the preferences and jobs of ALL workers instead of trampling over the preferences and jobs of millions of them in your petty, social engineering crusade.

October 14, 2010 at 17:39 | Unregistered CommenterD Shepherd

how many of those voting no to an amended ban actually use pubs regularly. Its not democratic to allow people to vote on an issue which will never effect them. You cant vote for an issue across a cultural divide. eg to force a country to vote on a leader of one religous persuasion when that country has 4 religious factions one of which represents half the population - its madness. People would have voted NO yesterday who may be go to the pub once or twice a month. My wife and I used to frequent our local 5 times every week 52 weeks of the year. Now i'M TOLD yet again that I cant use pubs and I'm being told by people who never use pubs. There is nothing wrong with bar seggregation or even smoking nights and non smoking nights. Smokers contribute maasively to the national tax income and so the NHS burdon is just silly. I think that the whole nation has lost its spark since the ban. People dont shop as much because a cafe or pub break can no longer add that sense of occasion. Holidays in England are worthless. Rail stations are devoid of conversation and commeradery. Cafes are closing as builders breakfasts are a thing of the past. Clothes buying for smokinf ladies is history as they no longer have a siociasl outlet to wear them. I reckon much of the recesssion is due to the damping effect of the human spirit inflicted by the ban. We are all human and cope with our mortality indifferent ways.

October 14, 2010 at 19:33 | Unregistered Commenterchris harris

Chris Harris - I agree.
It's not only the pubs and clubs that are suffering.

I used to go out in a group of 12 to our local WMC. 6 men, 6 ladies.

The 6 ladies all went to the hairdressers every Saturday - no more.

The 6 ladies all went 'up town' every fortnight for new clothes - no more.

The 6 ladies went 'up town' every fortnight for new handbags, shoes, make-up etc - no more.

The 6 ladies used 2 taxis each week - no more.

The 6 ladies purchased full sheets of bingo tickets and tickets for every draw going- no more.

The 6 ladies instead save their money and use cheap transport to afford them a good few days where they are welcome - abroad.

I am one individual out of millions of smokers. The government needs to understand how much the ban has affected the high street as well as the pubs and clubs and cater for everyone.

October 15, 2010 at 1:25 | Unregistered CommenterHelen

I wholeheartedly agree with Helen. Britian is getting to be a horrible place to live in. This is my Country and I used to love it and think how lucky I was to live here, but now I would rather live anywhere but here. Labour absolutely ruined this Country and I dont think this government is going to do anything to make it better. How much thought did the MP's who voted against give it - none obviously or they would realise what damage is being done to businesses. I live in a Holiday Town where during the summer you nomally couldnt get in a pub for holidaymakers - not now because we have lost half our pubs - they have closed down bec ause they couldnt afford to keep going. I am sick to death of governments telling me if I can or cannot smoke, when to put my rubbish out, how much to put out, what I can and cant say, wether I should like someone or not, human nature is what it is and the more you bully there has to be a reckoning one day. So the more the Governments ruin the British way of life, there might one day be no British around for them to govern.

October 21, 2010 at 13:53 | Unregistered CommenterCleone

Well said, Cleone and the others. I thought this coalition was going to 'roll back the state'?
Smokers are the most heavily discriminated-against group in the country. Over the years we've accepted no-smoking rules on public transport, in the workplace, at the cinema, in all public buildings etc., and made little fuss about it because there was a reasonable point to these bans.

Smoking in the pub is entirely different. To think that people in WMCs cannot light up is outrageous! Many of these people risked life and limb to save this country from heavy-handed and totalitarianist governments who would institute rules like these!

I would also like to know what happened to all those people who claimed they would fill the bars and pubs once smoking was banned! Where are they? They're not in the pubs, that's evident! The trouble is neither is anyone else!

Moreover, this ban went much further than what was stated in Labour's manifesto - in other words, it was not democratically voted for by the people! We were told there would be LIMITS - not a total BAN!

November 1, 2010 at 10:28 | Unregistered CommenterLorraine

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