Thursday
Apr022009
Why the BMA makes me sick
Thursday, April 2, 2009 The British Medical Association is calling for smoking to be banned from all hospital grounds in Wales. Full story HERE, including a quote from me.
Thursday, April 2, 2009
Reader Comments (19)
This typical of the Sod You attitude you find from the total mindless morons who are trying to ripoff the finances of this once great Country. Their only concern is to do as little as possible for a large salary.
Remember why so many of our fellow countrymen gave up their lives during the campaign against Nazi Bigotry. Hitler decided he was to take over the mantle of GOD. The religious leaders of this Country joined in condemning him but the latest prats seem to forget what GOD stands for. Not only do we have to have a ban against smoking but what people read, think, eat, drink and laugh about, Mark my words - these will be the next losses of our human rights. Two of the chemicals that can cause death as explained by Sir Liam were Carbon Dioxide and Carbon Monoxide. Yes this can be true but he never explained why.
Carbon Dioxide can kill if in excess but if we didn't have it in our lungs, we would die anyway. We would not live if our didn't have any in our lungs. Medically, we could not survive without it. It causes Diffusion which separates the air we breathe in allow Oxygen to circulate through our blood to oxygenate our organs. Carbon Monoxide becomes oxygenated when we smoke. We all have a greater risk of being killed by simply drinking a glass of common tap water that is actually 200 times the concentration of these gases. However, why the hell should he care!
At our local hospital there is a ban on smoking in front of windows. What makes this so pathetic is that they allow ambulances and cars to drop patients outside these windows with little consideration of the Carbon Monoxide levels pumped out by them.
Most of these parasites supporting these bans are ex smokers who do not have the B-lls or backbone to give up the temptation to smoke and can only do so, but stopping others from encouraging to restart. It is only these parasites who were asked for their views before the Nazi Regime running this Country made their mark.
As I said, Millions of service personal and civilians gave their lives but these parasites couldn't give a toss for what those gave up. Its about time Rowan Williams got off his backside and remembered Genesis 1 verse 27 as someone else in a previous post.
I'll just repeat what I said in the last thread. The medical profession is in need of root and branch reform. People like Liam Donaldson should be fired. It needs to be hammered home to the medical profession that they work for us, not us for them
A good start would be to stop calling them "doctors". Lots of people have doctorates, but "doctors" are the only ones that wear them as badges. "Medical practitioners" or "medical assistants" might be a more appropriate term.
They should also be taught, as part of their medical education, how medicine can go wrong, how doctors can become murderers. The Nazi doctors are the obvious example. But Dr Harold Shipman was probably the biggest mass murderer Britain has had. Is it entirely accidental that the Shipman case came up at a time when the medical establishment, as represented by the likes of Liam Donaldson and Charles George, have been showing exactly the same sort of arrogance and contempt for ordinary people? I think not.
These people have got too big for their boots. They need to be taken down several notches.
Nice try Simon.
I see ASH got in their usual advert for big pharma, even though it was completely irrelevent to the subject.
"The assembly government said since it was introduced, public support for the smoke-free legislation has been very high among smokers and non-smokers, with 80% of the public in Wales supporting the ban.
Support among smokers in particular has increased significantly from 51% before the ban, to 62%, according to the latest Welsh Omnibus Survey." Just where do they pluck these figures from? Despite all the pubs & clubs closing and job losses in the hospitality sector and secondary trades, these figures seem to go up and up. I suppose the day will arrive when government will be so pleased with themselves they'll quote '101% of the people stated......!'
Outside is outside, smoke rises, so what the hell is the problem for these sissy's? if they are dealing with abuse from smokers fed up with being harrassed then why not just leave them alone to enjoy their smoke-that is the simplest option!
Talk about kicking a person when he is down, what with suicide on the increase since the recession (probably higher than the so called 'smoking related' deaths if they gave us accurate figures) its truly amazing that the smoke nazi's are still crucifying us smokers
especially in these depressed times with people loosing thir homes/jobs etc. Have they no better worthwhile jobs to do, how they're not ashamed of themselves beggars belief, I guess there's safety in numbers and they can hide behind big pharma and their massively expensive brainwashing advertisements.
They will probably blame us for the recession next.
They've banned smoking on hospital grounds in Ireland too.
While attending for tests at our local hospital recently my husband, while waiting, went outside for a fag, there was no way he was going to walk the long distance to the street, so he lit up outside the hospital door and it wasnt long before another patient joined him and lit up too and nobody admonished them.
Us smokers should keep pushing the boundaries and challenge the bastards to see how far they'll go with these crazy new outdoor bans otherwise they will probably try banishing us to an offshore platform to have a smoke.
Our general hospital (in England) banned smoking in its' grounds about 18m ago. Before that, you would always find clusters of patients outside the main entrance having a puff, and plenty of visitors too. You still do. Basically, no one pays it any attention.
"The smoke-free legislation relates to enclosed public places. There currently are no plans to extend the smoke-free premises regulations to cover hospital grounds," a spokeswoman (for the Welsh Assembly) said.
Can anybody tell me why the Rail Authorities seemingly have the power to impose fines of up to £1000 for smoking outdoors on station platforms, yet the NHS can only ask people to comply with its requests? Are any other bodies able to directly fine people for smoking outdoors (as opposed to an indirect fine such as being banned from a football stadium)?
Hospital grounds? What grounds? There is positively no grounds and no justification whatsoever, in banning smoking in an outside area. The anti-smoking law does not allow for this. It is quite clear and concise in its wording which states public "indoor" places shall not allow smoking.
We have already conceded to these fanatics, by letting them class a "private" club, as a "public" place. The words, "private" and "public" are direct opposites. Why hasn't this been challenged in law?
Now it seems that we are again, letting them change the goal posts, by terming "indoor" and "outdoor" as the same thing. Again, they are opposites. It might have also slipped a lot of people's attention, but we, the tax paying, general public, own the hospitals. Who are they to make up new rules and regulations, completely disregarding the laws of our country, by telling us what we can do outside our own public buildings?
Yesterday, I read about a 90 year old man and his wife, who stayed in a hotel for one night. When they received the bill the following morning, he found to his horror, that the hotel had put another £100 on his bill, because, they alleged he smoked in his room, and that was the cost of cleaning the room, to make it habitable for the next people coming in. The man didn't try to deny he had smoked, all he said was that he had not seen any signs to say he shouldn't. The hotel manager didn't care a damn about the man's age, or the fact that he might not have seen the notice, he physically stooped the man from leaving the hotel until he had paid the bill.
This again, is against the law, but no one seems to be doing anything about it. No private person has the right to imprison another because of an alleged offence, and that is exactly what he was doing by preventing his from leaving. He could have charged him £200 he said, because that is the real cost of fumigating and cleaning the room after someone has smoked there. What a nice man he sounds, don't you just wish he would die of carbon monoxide poisoning which leaked through his central heating system?
In the same paper, was the case of a young pregnant mother who was refused a drink in a pub, because of her being pregnant. This isn't exactly against the law, but just what are things coming to, when we get jumped up little pub managers and their staff, thinking they have the right to tell others how they should live their lives? There is nothing in the anti-smoking laws that gives these people that right, so once again, why are we letting things like this happen?
This morning, another newspaper story shows a picture of Princess Eugenie, puffing away on a cigarette, with the caption "Her Royal Smokiness", and under the picture, it refers to her "smelly habit". Who says it is a smelly habit? Someone who don't like the smell obviously, but is that enough to warrant an attack like this upon her? I don't think so, as I have said a thousand times, there are plenty of smells I do not like, but I do not go around shouting about them and telling unfounded stories about them either.
It is time for all this to stop, they are going too far, and I believe we have taken too much. It is time to hit back in the same way as they are hitting us.
Par for the course really, unfortunately. Statistics show that 100% of those who are born will eventually die. What are the BMA going to do about that.? Surely the only remedy is to prevent people from being born in the first place ? I await the government white paper !
I remember when the ban was introduced in Wales on 2nd April 2007.Rodri Morgan Leader of the assembly stated that if it only saved one life, it would still a good thing. An average of 40 bikers a year are killed on Welsh roads each year and yet nothing is done to stop it.
It was pointed out to me by a work colleague the new advert asking drivers to think of bikes. When you check this frame by frame, the biker is nowhere in sight for seconds. This causes concern when you calculate that the biker must be travelling at over 100 mph in a 30 mph zone. No so=called experts ever get it right.
I saw my doctor this morning and true to form he came with this anti smoking claptrap. I shut him up when I pointed out that when I started training in First Aid in the 70's a doctor told us the 3 main causes of death. Those are Assumption. Arrogance and shock. I left him shell-shocked. That original doctor confirmed that it is not the heart attack that kills you but the shock of having one.
By the way, Gavin_C is no relation of mine.
Railway stations, as I understand it, can impose their own laws under the byelaw legislation. The railways, and councils, have always had byelaws that they can use to impose any restrictions they want - whether it be banning cycling through an open local park, or stopping people from smoking on railway platforms.
The fact is that once the govt showed which side it was on in the smoking debate, and backed that up with a prejudicial and discriminatory ban which socially excludes a minority group, then it gave the green light to any person or organisation in the country to treat smokers with utter, unfair and bigoted contempt. That was always my objection to the blanket ban - it legitimised discrimination and it was obvious that those who hated smokers would use the law to justify and give credence to their anti-social behaviour.
The political party which takes up our cause, with all its undertones about freedom, will have a tremendous impact on the next General Election. The political class, which includes many in the media, has buried its its collective head in the Westminster clay. Anyone listening?
Alun_C:
"I remember when the ban was introduced in Wales on 2nd April 2007.Rodri Morgan Leader of the assembly stated that if it only saved one life, it would still a good thing"
So it obviously doesn't matter for Rodri Morgan that we're now into several deaths as a result of the smoking ban? These are named deaths as well, not guestimated ones that don't exist like he states.
My local hospital is Stafford District General, in the news at the moment alleged to have killed some 4 - 12 hundred people due in part to shortages of nursing staff. This same hospital has gone so far as to appoint TWO smoking wardens, who patrol the extensive grounds telling people to put their cigarettes out. You couldnt make it up!!!!
Helen. You may remember that Rodri also said it could save the equivalent of of 2 Jumbo jets per year. Also, Dr Brian Gibbons was the Health Minister who ended up as Environmental Minister. If there was any truth in his statements, then why was he taken out of the firing line?
This Government talks of Human Rights in China, Russia and Burma amongst other dictatorships and yet, we have no Human Rights in this COUNTRY. Democracy is only allowed when it is their approved version.
Not just a national problem: http://www.ensh.eu/ensh/racine/
Peter - I have just found out that Worcestershire Acute Trust has narrowly 'won' a vote by 'patients and staff' to bring in a total smoking ban on all its grounds!
For some, a visit to hospital, be it as a patient or visitor, can be very stressful - have they not got enough patients for their Psychiatric wards?
Recently returned from Scotland, I noticed an interesting difference in the wording of the No Smoking signs on railway stations.
In Scotland they say "smoking is not allowed under the canopied sections of the station" Seems reasonable! In England, as we are kept constantly aware, it's "anywhere"
Just thought people may be interested.
For god sake are they joking? Excuse my language but its like a anti-smoker fucking 'kulture Kampf'.They call this a free country yet now you cant even smoke outside just because theres so old farts in some kind of anti-smokers Tripple Alliance says its bad for you. Its a bloody outrage!. The patient shouldn't even be made to leave the ward if he wants to smoke let alone have to venture of to out side of some exclusion zone before they can light up. Its tobacco not a stick of flipping dinamite. Its just a breech of our rights as taxpayers to do as we wish in places where at the end of the day we pay for. If anything the BMA should be fliping caring for our every need, there should be matron to light our finest cubans not send us into some odd concil estate dressed in a hospital gown for a quick baggy tampon of a roley in the pissing rain. What a load of old wankers