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Friday
Feb132009

Tobacco - an alternative view

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Meanwhile ... Second-hand smoke heightens dementia risk say scientists. Comments welcome

Reader Comments (22)

I already passed my comment on this one! (Dementia). Fume!!!
Scientists ???

February 13, 2009 at 10:52 | Unregistered CommenterPeter James

P S
Research has found if you stick a pin in your finger accidently or otherwise... You bleed !!

February 13, 2009 at 11:28 | Unregistered CommenterPeter James

So they've given pregnant mothers and children a break from the firing line for a change.
So now its the turn of the over 50's and this time its passive smoking that causes alzymers, does that mean we wont get heart attacks or strokes any more or are we likely to get all three together or will we get a heart attack first, then a stroke followed by alzymers.
One wonders about these things, I'm a bit confused here.
Do I not understand because it could be from passive smoking or is it the scientists that are confusing me?

February 13, 2009 at 11:35 | Unregistered Commenterann

The scientists don't even believe their own press.


Secondhand Smoke Bad for Brain?
Study Links Secondhand Smoke Exposure to Cognitive Impairment
By Miranda Hitti
WebMD Health News
Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD

The findings held despite other factors, including participants' age, sex, education, diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart disease. But the researchers -- who included David Llewellyn, PhD, of England's University of Cambridge -- note that the study also has some limits.

For instance, the researchers couldn't control for every possible factor that may have influenced the results. Also, participants weren't followed over time, so it's not clear which came first -- cognitive impairment or secondhand smoke exposure. And although cognitive impairment can take decades to develop, cotinine doesn't linger in the body very long, so it's not a marker of long-term exposure to secondhand smoke.

"This study raises the strong possibility that secondhand smoke causes cognitive decline, but further research is needed to establish a causal effect," Mark Eisner, MD, MPH, an associate professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco, writes in an editorial published with the study.

February 13, 2009 at 11:40 | Unregistered CommenterDave Atherton

I note that we were robbed again today as tobacco claimed another victim.

The victim was James Whitmore. An actor I particularly admired, especially for his stunning performance in The Green Mile.

James died "prematurely" at 87 years old. One odd fact that the antis won't be reporting is that he lived 15 years beyond the average American's life expectancy.

As the modern vernacular would have it, go figure.

February 13, 2009 at 12:11 | Unregistered CommenterColin Grainger

Let's hope it occurs to the everyone that if SHS causes dementia, smokers would all be brainless morons by the time they we're 30. On second thoughts that is the picture they are trying to present is it not?

February 13, 2009 at 13:03 | Unregistered CommenterZitori

Well said that person on Utube 'Tobacco some facts', thats the sanest speech I've heard in a long long time.
Pity his blog can't be projected on the wall of some mall or at airports to let people absorb the truth for a change instead of the brainwashing crap we have to endure about smoking being prohibited here, there and everywhere.

February 13, 2009 at 14:06 | Unregistered Commenterann

From the late great Dr.KWE Denson, the full letter will warm the cockles of your heart.

"Smoking is not all evil. Compared with non-smokers, smokers have half the risk of Parkinson's disease and a reduced risk of Alzheimer's disease. Women who smoke after their first full-term pregnancy have half the risk of developing breast cancer. Would it not be more honest to allow smokers the choice of an increased risk of lung cancer and heart disease, or an increased risk of Parkinson's or Alzheimer's diseases?"


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/3593568/Smoking-is-not-all-evil.html

February 13, 2009 at 15:17 | Unregistered CommenterDave Atherton

Joke time:

I'm looking forward to getting Alzheimer's so I can sleep with a different woman every night.

February 13, 2009 at 15:19 | Unregistered CommenterDave Atherton

Error correction time:

James was in The Shawshank Redemption, not The Green Mile, as I stated earlier.

February 13, 2009 at 15:42 | Unregistered CommenterColin Grainger

that sounds like that other bloke who was in a film as well, whatisname, you know...

February 13, 2009 at 16:21 | Unregistered CommenterAlan Zheimer

Ah, Dave Atherton, but then you wouldn't remember them the next morning .... or is that the point (Tee-hee!)

February 13, 2009 at 16:42 | Unregistered CommenterPat Nurse

Quote: Sorry, what was the question? (The Major - Fawlty Towers)

February 15, 2009 at 11:08 | Unregistered CommenterSylvia

My local supermarket branch did a much heralded refurbishment. Customers put up with not being able to find anything with patience and humour. Towards the end of the process the separate tobacconist/customer service counter disappeared and what looked like a temporary tobacco stall was included with the one-basket-type checkouts. Sometimes there was no-one on the tobacco side. Then it transpired that anyone waiting to buy just a packet of cigarettes must queue behind, maybe 14 people with their baskets of groceries. It also transpired that if there was no-one on the tobacco counter the purchaser could ask the assistant with whom he was dealing to go over and find his cigarettes or tobacco. This of course caused some delay, especially if the assistant couldn't find the product. I managed to find out that this system was not part of the temporary refurbishment upheaval but was permanent A complaint to the head office brought an acknowledgment but no response. I have started, as an old man, to smoke again after a gap of 11 years. What a difference. Thankfully I can get my pipe tobacco on line. There's very little choice on the high street. Matches are of Orwellian fragility, splitting, breaking, flaring and lighting anything except one's pipe. As for the supermarket branch, if there were a comparable outlet within range I would personally never patronise it again.
Its groceries are good and I suppose it knows it. I am a smoker once more. But I think I would have noticed the disdain with which this shop treats customers who want to buy tobacco products,anway.In effect this (super)market has virtually abandoned its service to smokers. I hope I speak here for those who, while they wait to buy a packet of cigarettes, feel that others would not blink if they rang a bell and cried out 'Unclean'.

February 15, 2009 at 13:13 | Unregistered CommenterNorman

my father stopped smoking in the '60s. he is now 84, in good health and physically active. he was in the RAF(VR) in the fifties, as a reservist fighter pilot. at his squadron reunions, all the officers who didn't smoke or who stopped smoking are still in attendance. all the squadron's smokers are dead. having said that, the banning of smokers from pubs whether the customers and landlords like it or not, is a complete and utter outrage. they've made every town a fiefdom of the NHS.in a free society, adult human beings should be free to take their chances and make their own choices.

February 15, 2009 at 16:37 | Unregistered Commenterrichard

Mr Atherton, you forgot to mention the added bonus of making new friends every day and never seeing repeats on the telly. I also have a friend who is a comedian, who told me he did an engagement for an Alzheimer charity. He told the same joke over and over again for an hour. At the end, a guy came up and congratulated him, asking "how do you remember them all"?

February 15, 2009 at 16:40 | Unregistered Commentertimbone

not even slightly funny

February 15, 2009 at 18:09 | Unregistered Commenterrichard

Richard I'm not sure if you are trying to make a point about non-smokers living longer or you are just stupid. Maybe smoking cotributed to the deaths of your fathers buddies from the RAF but is it safe to assume they were roughly your fathers age? If so then it is hardly surprising they are dead. Old age has a habit of killing people, what a bitch eh?

February 15, 2009 at 20:47 | Unregistered CommenterCarl

You make a valid point Carl - and of course there may have been confounders at work which didn't come across from Richard's anecdote, but I don't think he should be characterised as stupid - it's his experience and a fair comment.

There's all shades on here; the majority of commenters, in keeping with the tone of the blog and including Richard it seems, are opposed to the smoking-ban. This is our common bond: the pseudo-science surrounding ETS and the state taking away people's power of self-determination.

As far as our individual opinions on everything else, including perceptions of the risks and benefits of active smoking are concerned, we are all very different and rightly so. There's a wealth of contradictory evidence around [much that we wouldn't get to hear about at all if it weren't for Forces, Forest, F2C etc.]. We must make sense of the picture as best we can, reach our own accomodations according to our own individual desires and advance our cause through persuasion.

Richard is, I think, a new visitor here. Perhaps less likely to stick around if he's subject to an insulting riposte for daring to express what is, after all, what most people believe about tobacco?

February 16, 2009 at 1:25 | Unregistered CommenterBasil Brown

Richard, what you have to remember is that the vast majoirty of the oldest people in the world have been smokers, and that the greatest longevity rates are in the countries with the highest smoking rates, there is no doubt about that.
Many people will tell of the opposite experience to yours and in each case confounders are never mentioned, and this is where confusion and misinformation reigns.

The U.S. is now facing a fall in average age, under 70, while smoking has been declining for decades, but they will still put the blame on smoking related illness,because it suits the present onslaught of propaganda, at the same time taking many billions of dollars, used in the Tobacco Control movement, the richest in history, away from research into other areas, thereby, to my mind, contributing to millions of needless deaths.
Childhood Asthma has risen dramatically since smoking has declined, same for Altzeimers disease and obesity. These connections are becoming increasingly clear.

As far as ETS goes the generation that 'suffered' it everywhere they went for 60 years or more are now the longest living generation to have ever exsted in this country, and if anyone wants to point out that's because of medical advances, then look to the U.S.. Don't they have medical advances??

February 16, 2009 at 11:33 | Unregistered CommenterZitori

Very well said, Zitori.

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